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new non staking Delpiniums - ?name


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cathaleen29-Oct-05 07:19 PM EST 3   
m.l.29-Oct-05 11:29 PM EST 5b   
Glen T30-Oct-05 08:30 AM EST 7   
Donna30-Oct-05 11:36 AM EST 3a   
cathaleen31-Oct-05 04:12 PM EST 3   
Patricia 06-Nov-05 07:25 AM EST 5   
cathaleen13-Nov-05 02:18 PM EST 3   
Glen T14-Nov-05 06:34 AM EST 7   
cathaleen16-Nov-05 07:10 PM EST 3   
Donna18-Nov-05 08:36 AM EST 3a   
Patricia19-Nov-05 02:23 PM EST 5a   
cathaleen19-Nov-05 03:06 PM EST 3   


Subject: new non staking Delpiniums - ?name
From: cathaleen
Zone: 3
Date: 29-Oct-05 07:19 PM EST

I am looking ahead to next year - and need to replace my delphiniums as they are now - and I know I read there is a new sturdier delphinium that doesn't necessarily require staking - can anyone help me out with the name and if they have tried it . Thanks.


Subject: RE: new non staking Delpiniums - ?name
From: m.l.
Zone: 5b
Date: 29-Oct-05 11:29 PM EST

ARE YOU SURE YOUR NOT THINKING OF LARKSPUR?? lIKE A DELPHINEUM BUT SHORTER... OTHERWISE I HAVENT HEARD ANYTHING..SORRY


Subject: RE: new non staking Delpiniums - ?name
From: Glen T
Zone: 7
Date: 30-Oct-05 08:30 AM EST

cathaleen--you also might be thinking of the Dowdeswell's delphiniums from New Zealand. I notice they have a link here on the icangarden site if you look under nurseries...their website is quite interesting for delphinium lovers.

I have seen their varieties offered this year by Heritage Perennials, with several new selections coming next spring. They seem to be the ultimate in the taller delph's, much improved over the standard varieties that have been around for years.

There have also been the more dwarf types, Magic Fountains comes to mind. These don't need staking coz they are shorter, while the Dowdeswell's have worked on making a sturdier flower spike/plant that is still nice and tall.

I've also grown one here called Blue Elf, available from Jelitto seed in Germany. An awesome mound covered in deep gentian blue flowers, only a foot tall. The colour is amazingly eyecatching, as delph's can be! The catch here (west coast) is they almost always rot and die over the winter, so have to be grown as an annual or maybe a biennial, not a long term plant for me :-(


Subject: RE: new non staking Delpiniums - ?name
From: Donna
Zone: 3a
Date: 30-Oct-05 11:36 AM EST

There is also another one you might like to try, called Red Caroline. I planted it this year. Good to -30 + so they say. The flowers are incredible and it only grows to about 3 feet tall. I will have pictures of it under my garden in the pix area - in fact will be putting up a lot of new pictures to show you what the garden grew this year..


Subject: RE: new non staking Delpiniums - ?name
From: cathaleen
Zone: 3
Date: 31-Oct-05 04:12 PM EST

Thanks Donna and Glenn for the info on what you have grown - I do think it is the Dowdeswells that I am thinking of/ was searching like a fiend for what I had put away for safekeeping for what I wanted next year - and well typically that list has vanished.....will have a look at the photos - thanks so much for the help. Love this website it is always so good in sharing info and ideas.


Subject: RE: new non staking Delpiniums - ?name
From: Patricia (iris1@rogers.com)
Zone: 5
Date: 06-Nov-05 07:25 AM EST

Staking delphiniums IS a bore! Here's how I stopped years ago. I grow the Pacific series, most of them have names related to Camelot: Guinevere, King Arthur, Black Knight, etc. I use the tallest available tomato cages, one around each plant. That's it. They have not been removed in 5 years. Any stalk growing outside the cage can either be removed early in the spring OR can be tied to the cage if it gets ahead of you. The foliage hides the tomato cages within a few weeks - nobody knows they are there and the plants stay nice and tall. No staking!


Subject: RE: new non staking Delpiniums - ?name
From: cathaleen
Zone: 3
Date: 13-Nov-05 02:18 PM EST

Thanks for the ideas Patricia - how tall is your tomato stand???,my plants border a fence - so using velcro tie stips I fasten them from behind thru the fence - so the green tie isn't really seen on the stalks . I am putting delphiniums in a new bed where this will be harder to do. So am going to try a combo of the NZ delphiniums and also the Black Knight - 'cause I am a sucker for dark colours. Do you ever get a Delphinium worm/catepillar in yours??? That's been my biggest problem in the early season is dealing with them...


Subject: RE: new non staking Delpiniums - ?name
From: Glen T
Zone: 7
Date: 14-Nov-05 06:34 AM EST

The worm/caterpiller is probably the same guy that munches down our columbines. It's a sawfly larva, and is easy to manage with something like Trounce sprayed thoroughly over the plants when the first munching is seen. Have to repeat the spray occasionally as new ones hatch out or migrate into the garden.

These little buggers can really defoliate the plants if not dealt with as soon as they're noticed!


Subject: RE: new non staking Delpiniums - ?name
From: cathaleen
Zone: 3
Date: 16-Nov-05 07:10 PM EST

Glen, is the larva sort of a fat little crawler? These beasts by the time I seem to spot them doing their business are fat, green and an inch or more. I end up squishing them by hand ( gloved hand I might add ). I read somewhere once to cut the delphiniums as soon as their crown starts to appear in the spring - as the bugs are already in there - and throw them out. some years I am late doing this. I have had them in my monkshood too.


Subject: RE: new non staking Delpiniums - ?name
From: Donna
Zone: 3a
Date: 18-Nov-05 08:36 AM EST

Cathaleen...yes those are the ones. I have in previous years waited until they got up to about 6 or so inches in the spring and cut them all back to get rid of them as well...it does work.


Subject: RE: new non staking Delpiniums - ?name
From: Patricia (iris1@rogers.com)
Zone: 5a
Date: 19-Nov-05 02:23 PM EST

Cathaleen: my tomato cages are about 30 to 36 inches tall. They are truly invisible after a few weeks of growth. My delphs. are free standing, that is, there is nothing behind them. The idea of the velcro strips through the fence is GREAT!


Subject: RE: new non staking Delpiniums - ?name
From: cathaleen
Zone: 3
Date: 19-Nov-05 03:06 PM EST

Donna, I will give it a go next spring with the hard hacking back - I was always worried that with 6 inches growth it was too late. Glad to know it wasnt' . Patricia, I'll be looking for taller tomato stands - I am sure mine aren't that tall - I have used mine to try and rein in my geraniums pratense which can take over a bed - to mixed success.

Can hardly wait til spring - and it's barely winter.......


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