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Planting perennials???? Help please!!!!!!


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Marla24-Apr-00 08:25 AM EST   
Carolyn24-Apr-00 10:33 AM EST   
Marla24-Apr-00 10:57 AM EST   
Odette24-Apr-00 11:17 AM EST   
Carolyn24-Apr-00 03:56 PM EST   
Teresa24-Apr-00 05:12 PM EST   
Luba24-Apr-00 08:20 PM EST   
Kathy24-Apr-00 10:35 PM EST   
Kathy24-Apr-00 10:36 PM EST   
25-Apr-00 05:12 PM EST   
Marla 25-Apr-00 07:30 PM EST   
Gayle25-Apr-00 08:10 PM EST   
Carolyn26-Apr-00 04:51 PM EST   


Subject: Planting perennials???? Help please!!!!!!
From: Marla
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Date: 24-Apr-00 08:25 AM EST

Hi there, I am new here and I am looking for help and suggestions. I live in Ontario and I am interested in planting perennials/bulbs in my newly landscaped garden (front of house). It is part shade/part sun and I have no idea what to plant or how to do it. My brick colour is red, so I was thinking of white, red and possibly some light pink blossoms. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Marla P.s. everyone is talking about zones...how do I know what zone I am in?


Subject: RE: Planting perennials???? Help please!!!!!!
From: Carolyn
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Date: 24-Apr-00 10:33 AM EST

Hi Marla!

Where do you live? Toronto, for instance, is zone 6, which means Toronto people can plant annuals, May 10th.

I'm in Zone 6-7, Niagara. I can plant annuals about the same time or even earlier.

What exposure does your house face? North, south, east or west? Each exposure will afford sun at different times a day.

You can plant perennials now, they're frost and cold-tolerant and need an early start.

Don't think too much about matching bloom colours to your house colour--use it as a guideline but don't follow it to a T. It looks contrived. When I moved in to my red and terracotta-coloured house(YUCK! Has been painted since), 4 years ago all the plants were either white, red or can-you-believe-it, BROWN. I didn't think Iris came in brown---since removed it. Remember plants in nature, of all colours; grow together side by side. I guess a good tip for you; is to avoid strongly clashing colour combinations.

A while ago, someone wrote in and said there was a good zone map for you to pinpoint where you are, here on the web. Maybe someone out there knows what it is.

Additionally, many garden books have zone maps included in them. Do beware, however, American books have been guilty of labelling anything above the U.S as zone 2. They really do believe we live in igloos!


Subject: RE: Planting perennials???? Help please!!!!!!
From: Marla
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Date: 24-Apr-00 10:57 AM EST

I do in fact live in Toronto. I guess that I means I am in zone 6. What type of perennials would you suggest? I know absolutely nothing about flowers as you can tell. Should I mix perennials and annuals? Do I need to mix anything into the triple mix? Any help would be appreciated.


Subject: RE: Planting perennials???? Help please!!!!!!
From: Odette
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Date: 24-Apr-00 11:17 AM EST

Hi, Marla. I too am new to gardening, and really having fun with this creative new hobby. What I have found most useful (other than this website, of course), is Lois Hole's books on gardening. I've bought two: one called Favourite Perennials, the other Favourite Annuals. The books are very straight-forward (little or no latin names), have lots of pretty pictures of each plant and good simple advice. They seem to be available everywhere. Good luck.


Subject: RE: Planting perennials???? Help please!!!!!!
From: Carolyn
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Date: 24-Apr-00 03:56 PM EST

You can and probably should mix perennials and annuals. Your perennials will be pretty small for the first season unless you buy 2 year olds in larger containers; so you will have areas of open space. You can fill these spaces with annuals of all kinds. You haven't mentioned what exposure these garden beds have---North, South, etc. You did say they get part-sun and part-shade; I'm not certain it's wholly important to your perennial choices but what part of the day do they get sun?

You can add some compost if you like to your Triple-mix bed and add some bonemeal--mixed in well when you plant.

The book choices Odette made are great! They're really helpful to the novice gardener.

Here's one tip to have something blooming in your beds from May to October; plant the following:

Columbine, Peony, Day Lily, Iris, Phlox, Asters, and Hollyhocks.

Other reliable perennials include; Shasta daisies, Black-eyed Susans, Purple- Cone Flower, Hostas and Roses.

Don't purchase them, however, until you're certain the area meets their light conditions.

Another thing to keep in mind; perennials reach maturity in 3 years and can spread pretty far--allow space for their growth or be prepared to divide them a lot over the years.


Subject: RE: Planting perennials???? Help please!!!!!!
From: Teresa
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Date: 24-Apr-00 05:12 PM EST

Along with the multitude of tempting flowers to choose, don't shy away from foliage. It's a good balancer to separate too much for the eye. To try :

Hosta (more for shade) Euonymus (evergreen and variegated Ornamental grasses - very tough and graceful

Good luck, don't get overwhelmed, just have fun.


Subject: RE: Planting perennials???? Help please!!!!!!
From: Luba
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Date: 24-Apr-00 08:20 PM EST

Four years ago, I redesigned my garden, putting in perennial beds. I found that educating myself was best in deciding what would grow in what conditions. The following sources were very beneficial: reading lots of gardening books and magazines, listening to radio gardening talk shows (Saturday and Sunday mornings in the Toronto area), watching gardening television shows, and joining my local horticultural society (where I met lots of interesting people with much experience in gardening.) Looking back to the stage where you are at now, I would advise you to think about the structure of your garden by planting a mixture of plants: trees, shrubs, flowering perennials, foliage plants and annuals to fill in the in-between spaces. I made the mistake of only putting in flowering perennials, and am now ordering and planting more varied kinds of plants to provide the "bones" of my garden.


Subject: RE: Planting perennials???? Help please!!!!!!
From: Kathy
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Date: 24-Apr-00 10:35 PM EST

Hi, I have been experimenting for years - live north of Toronto, zone 5b (it seems to change around Woodbridge, and can actually make a bug difference). I recently discovered Humer Nurseries, or rediscovered I should say. They have an enormous selection, and many helpful staff - they also provide a cheap "landscaping" advice service - I think its $45.00. Their catalogue is $2.00 and full of tips. They are on hwy 50 just south of hwy 7. Good luck.


Subject: RE: Planting perennials???? Help please!!!!!!
From: Kathy
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Date: 24-Apr-00 10:36 PM EST

Sorry, mean't "big" difference, and "Humber" nurseries.


Subject: RE: Planting perennials???? Help please!!!!!!
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Date: 25-Apr-00 05:12 PM EST

I agree. Humber Nurseries is absolutely the best garden centre in the Toronto area. They have lots of choices in each different species.


Subject: RE: Planting perennials???? Help please!!!!!!
From: Marla
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Date: 25-Apr-00 07:30 PM EST

WOW you guys are great. I have lots to consider. I do infact live in Toronto, so I guess I am zone 6 and the front of my house faces north. I am going to look at all the information and see what I can do. Thanks


Subject: RE: Planting perennials???? Help please!!!!!!
From: Gayle
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Date: 25-Apr-00 08:10 PM EST

Depending on the size of your garden, planting a full perennial bed can be expensive. I would suggest mentioning to everyone you know your dilemma - gardeners always have too many plants that need dividing and are more than happy to give stuff away. Why not obtain as much as you can from all the generous gardeners out there. Once its flowering, decide if you like it or not. You can always move it or give it away to another! Also, you have to know what blooms when. Using annuals in the beds will give you colour all season. Have fun


Subject: RE: Planting perennials???? Help please!!!!!!
From: Carolyn
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Date: 26-Apr-00 04:51 PM EST

Hi again Marla!

Re: your North-facing beds. You will require more shade-tolerant plants so when you go to Humber nursery, have the staff direct you to plants that thrive in shade.

One of the most common and costly mistakes novice gardeners make is putting plants in the wrong conditions. Plants that love the sun will eventually wither and die in shade.


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