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vine to grow with clematis

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Pat09-Apr-01 02:24 PM EST   
09-Apr-01 09:31 PM EST   
JoanneS12-Apr-01 12:26 PM EST   
The Budding Poet.........................Zn4b13-Apr-01 01:12 AM EST   
Ed13-Apr-01 03:25 PM EST   
Lil19-Apr-01 12:24 AM EST   
pamela19-Apr-01 01:07 AM EST   
Lil19-Apr-01 01:36 AM EST   
Carmen19-Apr-01 01:54 AM EST   
Claire-Ontario19-Apr-01 10:49 AM EST   
JoanneS19-Apr-01 11:39 AM EST   
Ellen C.19-Apr-01 06:58 PM EST   
The Budding Poet......... .............Zn4b20-Apr-01 12:04 AM EST   
Debbie20-Apr-01 02:30 AM EST   

Subject: vine to grow with clematis
From: Pat
Date: 09-Apr-01 02:24 PM EST

I live in Southern Ontario and I have mature pines and I would like to grow clematis up the trucks, but clematis is a twiner vine. Any suggestions on vines I can grow with clematis so the clematis can twine around the other vine. Something fast and not too wild looking, and no flowering vine is necessary.

Subject: RE: vine to grow with clematis
Date: 09-Apr-01 09:31 PM EST

Maybe try hops. It grows incredibly fast. What about Sweet Peas?

Subject: RE: vine to grow with clematis
From: JoanneS
Date: 12-Apr-01 12:26 PM EST

Pat, I have seen the alpina varieties of clematis growing up spruce trees with no assistance at all. Maybe "help" the first few vines find a branch to wrap around, and let nature do the rest.

Subject: RE: vine to grow with clematis
From: The Budding Poet.........................Zn4b
Date: 13-Apr-01 01:12 AM EST


You may have trouble trying to grow it up the trunk of a mature pine as I suspect your clematis will appreciate a brighter locale with less root competition.

With visions of covering the canope of an old apple tree with blooms I struggled to persuade some undisciplined clematis planted near its base in shade to climb the trunk. Would you believe I went so far as to even staple them to the trunk? After several years of struggling in vain I gave up on that location. When I opted for the dripline area of a nearbye twenty year old spruce I hit pay dirt(so to speak). Planted there in full sun with no root competition, the clematis tanguticas grabbed a hold of the lower branches and took off.

In a few years they had clothed the spruce. It lit up with yellow lanterns for several weeks followed by snowy seed heads, giving the appearance of snow for the rest of the year. OK. Who in their right mind in this fair country needs more snow?..... Actually, in the heat of August the effect is quite stunning.

One vigorous stem under its own volition rewarded me for the better site selection and jumped into the apple tree. Sometimes a little shift in direction will get you to your destination.

Subject: RE: vine to grow with clematis
From: Ed
Date: 13-Apr-01 03:25 PM EST

Planting anything at the base of any mature tree is,right off the top, asking for trouble, aside from the difficulty of digging a planting hole among all those roots. The overwhelming competition for moisture and nutrients guarantee this an exercise in futility .

Subject: RE: vine to grow with clematis
From: Lil
Date: 19-Apr-01 12:24 AM EST

I need to hide a 15-20 foot clothes line pole, and would LOVE to use clematis for it! But, there isn't anything for it to twine around. The pole is a smooth surface all the way up. I was planning on just tying it all the way up. Is there a better way?

Subject: RE: vine to grow with clematis
From: pamela
Date: 19-Apr-01 01:07 AM EST

Why don't you try loosely wrapping the pole with chicken wire? Our jackmani clematis seems to climb the chicken wire we put on our fence quite well. There is a fair bit of space between it and the boards of the fence. This was unintentional but I think it likely helps. As well, the chicken wire is not really noticeable even when the plant is "dead" in winter. I don't have a lot of experience with clematis - it seems to me that some are better climbers than others. Maybe some of the gardeners who have experimented with different varieties can suggest a good climber.

Good luck, Pamela

Subject: RE: vine to grow with clematis
From: Lil
Date: 19-Apr-01 01:36 AM EST

Thanks for the nifty idea, Pamela!

Can I throw another question out there? : )

I'll be buying my clematis from Walmart or Revy because the nurseries carry clematis from the exact same suppliers, but the box stores are cheaper.

I'll be getting mine in a 1 gallon pot, and I'm reading that it isn't smart to dump it right into a hole in my garden right away. I need to let it establish more of a root ball first. I don't mind keeping it in a container at all, but what do I need to do w/ it in the winter time? Bring it inside? Leave it under my car port? Does it still need watering?

thanks for the patience, everyone! Like many new gardeners, I'm fulla questions! : )


Subject: RE: vine to grow with clematis
From: Carmen
Date: 19-Apr-01 01:54 AM EST

Dear Lil: I live in zone 8 and I bought two clematis towards the end of summer last year. I never got around to putting them into the ground until this spring. I watered them about once a month and kept them near the house but where they got light everyday. They grew in that pot about 1ft over the winter. I just planted them about two weeks ago and they seem to be fine. Hope this helps.

Subject: RE: vine to grow with clematis
From: Claire-Ontario
Date: 19-Apr-01 10:49 AM EST

You know this thing about not growing a vine up trees because of the competition of nutrients, roots etc is another one of those "garden things that seems to vary from person to person and experience to experience.

The fact is that some things go against all advice or reasoning. People can successfully grow plants that are one/two or more zones lower than their area. Garden books regularly feature vines growing up trees and hedges in mature gardens. Articles are written that this should never be done etc etc etc.

Well - two years ago I disregarded this advice and planted a clematis under my smallish, red, 6 year old crab apple. (with my fingers crossed) It was a new variety with pink tulip type blooms and pale green foliage.

I did wrap some chicken wire about 2 or 3' up the trunk to help it "get a grip" and it is spectacular. The chicken wire does not show, the light green leaves and pink blooms look terrific against the red crabapple leaves. It blooms in July and August and climbs up into the crabapple at the corner of my deck where we get a lovely view of it. And the clematis itself is not so vigorous that its in anyway choking out the crabapple.

If it was my "fall" blooming clematis - I'm sure it would cause damage to the tree because that type is extremely vigorous.

So my suggestion to all is that you need to take some time to think something through a little bit. But that you shouldn't be afraid to experiment and try something even if its against everything you've been told or have read is wrong. Sometimes you can be delighted by the unexpected and isn't that what gardening is all about....Pure delight!

Subject: RE: vine to grow with clematis
From: JoanneS
Date: 19-Apr-01 11:39 AM EST

As for when to put in the clematis, i.e. allowing the root ball to mature, that may have been fine for zone 8, but in zone 3A, I would get it in the ground a.s.a.p. and then water, water, water. In our colder climate, the roots need time to get down as deep as they can before the winter hits, and I don't know anyone in this zone who has ever successfully overwintered a clematis in a pot. I had a neighbour try and she had nothing in the spring; however, it could also be her watering practices were to blame and not the cold.

Subject: RE: vine to grow with clematis
From: Ellen C.
Date: 19-Apr-01 06:58 PM EST

I have a Clematis that has been growing in a big clay pot successfully for two years now. For winter protection, it's stored in my unheated garage. It comes out after the last frost.

Subject: RE: vine to grow with clematis
From: The Budding Poet......... .............Zn4b
Date: 20-Apr-01 12:04 AM EST

Since I discovered how easy it is how to propagate Clematis by cuttings I have lots of pots to contend with in the fall. Some I have taken out of their pots and planted out in a nursery row in the veggie garden. Most I now plunge in the veggie garden pot and all and top with several shovels of earth. Come spring they are dug out and thrown in a cold frame to have good growth by May plant sales. This has worked ok for the Clematis but lost lots of pasque flowers (Clematis relatives) last year, that were overwintered in a similar fashion. They made it through the terrible winter but before they got to the coldframe some marauding rodent munched off all the fuzzy little bunny ear leaves and most never recovered.

If it weren't for weather and rodents what would we gardeners have to gripe about? .......oh yes, those hoards of voracious mosquitoes. I better get out and enjoy this mosquito free day .

Subject: RE: vine to grow with clematis
From: Debbie
Date: 20-Apr-01 02:30 AM EST

Lil....just a thought but if you bought your clematis at a nursery then they would tell you how to plant and where your clematis on a one to one basis. Box stores don't! they throw up a fence and wala..instant nursery! Their staff are usullly house wives who have some knowledge in perennials and annuals ...maybe. At a nursery they grow, baby, over winter and produce the same plants as the box stores. If a plants looks sick or isn't growing, box stores just chuck it out and order more..nurseries don't let their plants get into that condition. Alot of times that very same variety of clematis you bought at a box store was also sold to a nursery but it didn't sell..they carry it over till the next season, only now it has a tremendous root system and is also climatized. The one you bought will be just fine if you plant it now..the grower who sold it would not send out a plant that didn't have a good enough root system. Make sure when you plant it, to plant it an extra 6 or so inches deeper then it is in the pot...covering part of the stem. This will give you more roots evenually and make it hardier. Also make sure that the roots are shaded..have the plant in the sun or part shade but the roots in the shade.This can be done by either a good thick mulch or just by planting a small plant in front of it. Also chicken wire wrapped around a telephone pole works great. Thanks for listening and putting up with my gripe about box stores...they are driving small family owned nurseries OUT OF BUSINESS and it really burns me!!

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