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Tall Hardy Shade Plant Advice for next year..


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cathaleen09-Sep-06 05:49 PM EST 3   
Michelle. L.10-Sep-06 01:09 AM EST 5a   
cathaleen10-Sep-06 03:01 PM EST 3   
Janine10-Sep-06 10:27 PM EST 2b   
Michelle. L.11-Sep-06 01:49 AM EST 5b   
cathaleen13-Sep-06 08:12 PM EST 3   
Janine14-Sep-06 08:28 AM EST 2b   
Michelle. L.14-Sep-06 04:12 PM EST 5a   
cathaleen14-Sep-06 10:58 PM EST 3   
Michelle. L.15-Sep-06 12:17 PM EST 5a   
Janine16-Sep-06 09:50 AM EST 2b   
Shari16-Sep-06 01:03 PM EST 6   
carol16-Sep-06 04:05 PM EST   
Michelle. L.17-Sep-06 12:16 AM EST 5a   
cathaleen17-Sep-06 07:36 PM EST 3   
Michelle. L.19-Sep-06 02:52 AM EST 4a   
Shari19-Sep-06 11:51 AM EST 6   
Michelle. L.23-Sep-06 12:54 PM EST 5a   
Michelle. L.24-Sep-06 12:37 AM EST 5a   
Janine24-Sep-06 09:20 AM EST 2b   
Patt11-Jul-07 03:16 PM EST 3   


Subject: Tall Hardy Shade Plant Advice for next year..
From: cathaleen
Zone: 3
Date: 09-Sep-06 05:49 PM EST

Hi Gardeners,

Doing a little clean up in my garden - and have decided that next spring I need to replace the Pratense Geraniums and Mourning Widow geraniums that are seeding/spreading fools against a shady fence area - it gets late afternoon sun....anyone with any ideas of what would be a good choice to fill but not overwhelm???? So I would like something for more height but less spread


Subject: RE: Tall Hardy Shade Plant Advice for next year..
From: Michelle. L.
Zone: 5a
Date: 10-Sep-06 01:09 AM EST

How about perscaria polymorpha? hardy, tall [about 4-5 feet] loks like a giant white astible but the stems look like bamboo when it gets bigger.. very nice!!! The bottom of the plant doesn't spread very wide..I saw some in the nurseries this year but got mine a few years ago from Dominion Seed house.


Subject: RE: Tall Hardy Shade Plant Advice for next year..
From: cathaleen
Zone: 3
Date: 10-Sep-06 03:01 PM EST

Michelle,

Thanks for the idea.....I had a quick look and even better - it appears to be zone 3, so will consider it - looking for anymore ideas anyone would have. Just know it's an area of the garden I have been avoiding - and it's time to deal with it...


Subject: RE: Tall Hardy Shade Plant Advice for next year..
From: Janine (jjschuel@telusplanet.net)
Zone: 2b
Date: 10-Sep-06 10:27 PM EST

Hi Cathaleen: I wonder if bugbane would work? It used to be called Cimicifuga racemosa, but now I think it is re-classified as Actea. Anyway, I've got it growing in a shady spot that gets late afternoon sun and it is wonderfully tall with dark purple foliage and white bottle brush flower spikes. good luck


Subject: RE: Tall Hardy Shade Plant Advice for next year..
From: Michelle. L.
Zone: 5b
Date: 11-Sep-06 01:49 AM EST

Bugbane is a wonderful plant.. I have two, both of them "Brunett" they smell great too, I don't know if they are hardy in zone 3 though. How tall do you want to go Cathaleen? There is a couple of taller hosta's i know of, my favorite being " Krossa Regal", it is a tall vase shaped one. Or how about a Soloman's Seal, the big tall one, not the shorter one, or the big goat's beard? Just a few idea's...


Subject: RE: Tall Hardy Shade Plant Advice for next year..
From: cathaleen
Zone: 3
Date: 13-Sep-06 08:12 PM EST

Grettings Janine and Michelle,

I was thinking of bugbane as well, I have planted a couple in my back yard where I get limited sunshine - but then since it can get a little hot in the late afternoon - was concerned that it could be too much heat. Where are u Janine to be 2B? I am in the middle of Bc - in Prince George. I would like - 4 - 5 feet - and I guess Monkshood could add some height too...so thanks for the ideas - and welcome any other inspirations...


Subject: RE: Tall Hardy Shade Plant Advice for next year..
From: Janine (jjschuel@telusplanet.net)
Zone: 2b
Date: 14-Sep-06 08:28 AM EST

Hi cathaleen:

I am in northern Alberta, a town called Slave Lake, north of Edmonton. 2b is our official zone, but we can usually stretch it to 3. My bugbane gets afternoon sunshine, and doesn't seem to mind. I don't know how well it tolerates prolonged heat, although our past two summers have had some nice hot weeks, but it always cools down at night. (hot for us is high 20's). Wish I had more suggestions, but I don't have a lot of shady areas. Winter is a great time for dreaming and planning - good luck.


Subject: RE: Tall Hardy Shade Plant Advice for next year..
From: Michelle. L.
Zone: 5a
Date: 14-Sep-06 04:12 PM EST

I have 2 bugbanes.. one is filtered shade and one in full sun and here in the okanogan we have a an extremely hot summer.. even into the 40's!! the one in full sun is fine, it likes the moister soil so as long as it was kept well watered it was good. Monkshood would be another good suggestion.


Subject: RE: Tall Hardy Shade Plant Advice for next year..
From: cathaleen
Zone: 3
Date: 14-Sep-06 10:58 PM EST

Hi again gals,

I am impressed to hear that your Bugbane does so well in the heat and sun of the Okanogan - that means gardeners like myself and Janine have nothing to worry about for summertime heat and bugbane. Out of curiousity how large do your plants get in both climates ? I just planted mine this spring - so they are establishing themselves .

They are calling for a possible frost here tonight - am not covering my annual geraniums - hoping to make it til the weekend - to start the inside transition. Oh for a longer growing season. Today it feels like fall - bah humbug.


Subject: RE: Tall Hardy Shade Plant Advice for next year..
From: Michelle. L.
Zone: 5a
Date: 15-Sep-06 12:17 PM EST

Hi there .. good question because the one in the dappled shade was planted 3 years ago and is the same height as the one in full sun which was planted this spring in a new bed I made.. it grew to be about 2 feet tall so far so it must like it but remember if it is in full sun to really water it well!! I have seen the same plant in another garden and it grew to about 5 feet, it was spectacular!! I have found that some plants that they say to plant in shade/ partial shade, grow better for me in the sun. examples are some hosta's, [usually the light colored ones], monkshood does good in both sun and shade, and some of the perscaria which they advise to plant in partial shade, just sort of sit and don't grow or bloom much, but put it in full sun and WOW!!! I wish I had a digital camera to take a pic to post on this website of mine, it is great!!! Hardy, blooms from June till frost kills it and is not bothered by any pests.. also i found a white monarda this year and planted it too close though and is touching it so it will have to be moved but was disappointed to find it gets MAJOR powdery mildew but my perscaria next to it didn't get any at all.. i was impressed. This is a must have plant.


Subject: RE: Tall Hardy Shade Plant Advice for next year..
From: Janine (jjschuel@telusplanet.net)
Zone: 2b
Date: 16-Sep-06 09:50 AM EST

Hi again: Cathaleen, my first bugbane was also planted 3 years ago in partial shade, and is now in deeper shade, it is over 5 feet tall. The second one was planted 2 years ago, gets afternoon sun and is only about 4 feet tall (but then the older one wasn't as big last year....) Hope the frost was just a nasty rumour. Michelle, the Persicaria sounds like something I need to try. A longer growing season - wouldn't it be luverly! But oh dear, I don't think I would like temps into the 40's, not that I'm crazy about today's forecast of 3 degrees, with mixed rain and snow - bah humbug indeed.


Subject: RE: Tall Hardy Shade Plant Advice for next year..
From: Shari (sharishabits@telus.net)
Zone: 6
Date: 16-Sep-06 01:03 PM EST

I perked up at the discussion of bugbane as I have been considering it for a site that gets dappled shade most of the day and sun in the afternoon. Sounds like it would work just fine.

Michelle I was also interested to hear about your sun-loving hostas, I took a chance and planted some where they get deep shade till about 2:00 then get blasted by full sun, and they seem to be thriving. Quite a variety of them in fact. This year I added one that is a lime-green colour, more lance-shaped leaves, bred to be more sun-tolerant. It's growing great but I've noticed the sun seems to bleach the foliage so it looks more yellow than lime. Funny, sometimes you just don't know till you try.

I am also wondering, what is this persicaria?

Oh I have so much to learn....


Subject: RE: Tall Hardy Shade Plant Advice for next year..
From: carol
Zone:
Date: 16-Sep-06 04:05 PM EST

Aruncus(Goats Beard) 4-5 feet high,speads about 4 feet, sprays of bream flowers in summer.


Subject: RE: Tall Hardy Shade Plant Advice for next year..
From: Michelle. L.
Zone: 5a
Date: 17-Sep-06 12:16 AM EST

if you like hostas Shari, a different one to try is called " Cherry berry' it even says to plant in the sun although mine is in partial shade.. it has red stems and the purple blooms. The Perscaria is a great plant, there are different types but the ones to look for is called " Taurus" or "Firetail".. pretty much the same. if you are ready for that daylily let me know and I could meet you in Vernon to give it to you, I also have a clump of daylily that is a red stella and has red flowers and blooms constantly, matter of fact it is still blooming, so if you would like this and the King George one just send the word.Don't we all have so much to learn?? I have gardened for quite a few years now and have come to the conclusion that there will always be more to learn, but that's part of the fun for me.


Subject: RE: Tall Hardy Shade Plant Advice for next year..
From: cathaleen
Zone: 3
Date: 17-Sep-06 07:36 PM EST

Glad to see my question has posed a lot of conversation. This is great I must say - I will track down a Perscaria and will likely add alittle more Bugbane to the yard as well.

I figure what the heck, take some risks - I know I read somewhere recently that full sun in Canada isn't like full sun in Florida or California - and that we can put more shade tolerant plants in the sun here - since the intensity of the sun here isn't as powerful.

Sad, but true we had frost here 2 nights ago - so some of the annuals have called it a season, the morning glory, Star of Yelta, that had looked so lovely and the heliotrophe are both done....and have been shifting in loads of geraniums to winter under the lights in the basement.

Have you found your bugbane leggy - or does it stay pretty well confined - not sprawling through the garden ? And how contained is the Perscaria Polymorpha? I am wanting height without too much spread into other plants - I know how demanding!!!

Happy late summer gardening - and absolutely the best thing about gardening is always learning new things and trying new combinations - I can't imagine a garden ever being finished!!!


Subject: RE: Tall Hardy Shade Plant Advice for next year..
From: Michelle. L.
Zone: 4a
Date: 19-Sep-06 02:52 AM EST

Hi Cathaleen, no my bugbane isn't leggy and it stays very confined, as for the Perscaria Polymorpha it says it can spread to about 3 feet but mine sure hasn't and my friend has one as well and hers either..it isn't even a foot wide.. although tall does not take up much space. Definetly try one of the other perscarias i mentioned earlier, it is a must have plant, the taurus one I planted is about 3 feet tall and does bush out to be about the same in width although the stems at the base are small.. not a spreader, love those hardy plants that bloom constantly..had several people come by and it was picked out immediately, Wow was all they could say what is that? Funny as one of them was a friend who actually works at a nursery and knows alot of different plants, so it just goes to show everybody keeps learning!! No frost here yet but it does get quite cold in the a.m... cleaning out the garden anyhow as I think it will hit all of a sudden and then no time to do everything I wanted before winter... boy it is hard to get rid of those annuals and cut others back when still putting on a show!!


Subject: RE: Tall Hardy Shade Plant Advice for next year..
From: Shari (sharishabits@telus.net)
Zone: 6
Date: 19-Sep-06 11:51 AM EST

I have to agree with you Michelle, I don't want to start shutting down for the winter yet either, but the weather has changed quite abruptly and it feels like we could get another sudden turn.

I would be happy to take those daylily donations, they both sound great. Send me an email at sharishabits@telus.net and we'll make arrangements!

I like the sound of the Cherry Berry hosta too, I haven't come across it but will look next spring. Did you find it at Blue Mountain Nursery?

Well ladies all, I have really enjoyed reading this discussion. Thank you! And have a great fall season.


Subject: RE: Tall Hardy Shade Plant Advice for next year..
From: Michelle. L.
Zone: 5a
Date: 23-Sep-06 12:54 PM EST

I can't remeber where I got the Chery Berry Hosta but no it wasn't at Blue Mountain, but I did see them this year at Art Knapp's in Kelowna [ the one on Springfield Road].. I like it as it is green and white with the red stems which makes it something different.


Subject: RE: Tall Hardy Shade Plant Advice for next year..
From: Michelle. L.
Zone: 5a
Date: 24-Sep-06 12:37 AM EST

Hi Janine, you said you are in Slave Lake, so is that near Grande Prairie?? I was just wondering as my friend moved up there early Sept. and she left behind a fav. plant of hers not knowing if it would survive there, we didn't know what zone G.P. is in, if you are close to there I will know the zone and can bring her something hardy for her to plant as she is fairly new to gardening.


Subject: RE: Tall Hardy Shade Plant Advice for next year..
From: Janine (jjschuel@telusplanet.net)
Zone: 2b
Date: 24-Sep-06 09:20 AM EST

Hi Michelle: Grande Prairie is about a 3 and a half hour drive west of Slave Lake. I do not know what zone it is, but discovered that there is a link to a canadian zone hardiness map on this site,(when replying to a thread, beside the box for "zone" the little message "click here to find your zone" - if you click it will take you to an ag canada site with a map.) It says that Grande Prairie is a 2b. What zone is the plant she left behind? I can usually grow stuff rated to zone 3, but have not had any success with zone 4 plants. If your friend lives right in town her growing conditions might be warmer than outside of town too. This is the second long fall we've had in a row, no frost yet - very unusual, but I'm not complaining.


Subject: Unwanted rabbit in garden
From: Patt
Zone: 3
Date: 11-Jul-07 03:16 PM EST

Help - we have a rabbit in our city garden and it is eating our roses and lilies. Does anyone have suggestions on how to get the rabbit to leave our garden?


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